| CIA Killed JFK An edited repost, by Carol Dearborn from GroupsGoogle.com alt.assassination.jfk, 1/2002 |
| An indictment of Watergate burglers, buddies and CIA Operatives E. Howard Hunt & Frank Sturgis for the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy |
| More Evidence: Canfield & Weberman's Coup d'Etat in America (free download) Mark Lane's Plausible Denial |
I believe there WAS enough evidence to convict Hunt & Sturgis (they're both
dead) but this would take another Jim Garrison and an "expert" to rebut the
HSCA testimony of forensic anthropologist Dr. Clyde Snow.
dead) but this would take another Jim Garrison and an "expert" to rebut the
HSCA testimony of forensic anthropologist Dr. Clyde Snow.
Why doesn't Edward Kennedy do anything?! Think of the implications on the American psyche knowing that
there was a coup d'etat in America. When I found out about it I was shocked, disillusioned. The public is likely
to become hysterical and riot. This was the reason President Lyndon Johnson wanted Chief Justice Earl
Warren to whitewash the assassination: he was worried that if some innocuous conclusion wasn't reached,
there would be WWIII (or the above-mentioned disillusionment and hysteria).
there was a coup d'etat in America. When I found out about it I was shocked, disillusioned. The public is likely
to become hysterical and riot. This was the reason President Lyndon Johnson wanted Chief Justice Earl
Warren to whitewash the assassination: he was worried that if some innocuous conclusion wasn't reached,
there would be WWIII (or the above-mentioned disillusionment and hysteria).
| REGARDING HUNT'S WHEREABOUTS: |
1. Consider the 8/20/78 article in the Wilmington, Delaware Sunday News Journal by Joe Trento & Jacquie Powers about the
alleged CIA memo, "leaked" to the HSCA that says Hunt was in Dallas on the day Kennedy was assassinated.
alleged CIA memo, "leaked" to the HSCA that says Hunt was in Dallas on the day Kennedy was assassinated.
2. Consider Victor Marchetti's articles in the Spotlight regarding the Memo (8/14/78) and in his newsletter, New American View
(2/1/92) that "Hunt had nothing to do with JFK's assassination [but] Hunt was in Dallas that day by accident."
(2/1/92) that "Hunt had nothing to do with JFK's assassination [but] Hunt was in Dallas that day by accident."
3. Consider the testimony under oath of Marita Lorenz before the HSCA and at Hunt's trial (by deposition) that she met with Hunt
(and Jack Ruby) in Dallas the day before the assassination. Some say Lorenz is a liar. Why would she risk her life (knowing
what has happened to so many witnesses) and reputation going to jail for perjury? Lorenz wrote in her book that Sturgis
threatened her and Lorenz's daughter was so scared that when Sturgis came to their apartment, she went after Sturgis with a
gun and they both were arrested!
(and Jack Ruby) in Dallas the day before the assassination. Some say Lorenz is a liar. Why would she risk her life (knowing
what has happened to so many witnesses) and reputation going to jail for perjury? Lorenz wrote in her book that Sturgis
threatened her and Lorenz's daughter was so scared that when Sturgis came to their apartment, she went after Sturgis with a
gun and they both were arrested!
4. Consider the contradictory stories Hunt gave about his whereabouts on the day of the assassination. This was a major issue
in the libel trial in Miami. And: how could anyone not know where they were on the day of the assassination!?
in the libel trial in Miami. And: how could anyone not know where they were on the day of the assassination!?
5. Consider the "coincidence" of Hunt / Sturgis look-a-likes turning up behind the Grassy Knoll. (I don't care what Time Magazine
or anyone else says about these photographs: they are dead ringers to me!) Time magazine (11/24/75): "Even to non-experts it
appeared that there was, at best, only a superficial resemblance between the [pictures of the] Dallas 'derelicts' and Hunt and
Sturgis." See photos here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/nixon.html
or anyone else says about these photographs: they are dead ringers to me!) Time magazine (11/24/75): "Even to non-experts it
appeared that there was, at best, only a superficial resemblance between the [pictures of the] Dallas 'derelicts' and Hunt and
Sturgis." See photos here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/nixon.html
6. Consider Nixon and Haldeman worried about Hunt "spilling the whole Bay of Pigs thing. "Could the "Bay of Pigs thing" have to
do with the assassination of JFK? I'll quote from H.R. Haldeman's book, The Ends of Power, page 38-39:
do with the assassination of JFK? I'll quote from H.R. Haldeman's book, The Ends of Power, page 38-39:
Years later, former CBS correspondent Dan Schorr called me. He was seeking information concerning the FBI investigation
Nixon had mounted against him in August, 1971. Schorr later sent me his fascinating book Clearing the Air. In it I was interested
to find that evidence he had gleaned while investigating the CIA finally cleared up for me the mystery of the Bay of Pigs
connection in those dealings between Nixon and Helms.
Nixon had mounted against him in August, 1971. Schorr later sent me his fascinating book Clearing the Air. In it I was interested
to find that evidence he had gleaned while investigating the CIA finally cleared up for me the mystery of the Bay of Pigs
connection in those dealings between Nixon and Helms.
It's intriguing when I put Schorr's facts together with mine. It seems that in all those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was
actually referring to the Kennedy assassination. (Interestingly, an investigation of the Kennedy assassination was a project I
suggested when I first entered the White House. I had always been intrigued with the conflicting theories of the assassination.
Now I felt we would be in a position to get all the facts. But Nixon turned me down.) . . .
actually referring to the Kennedy assassination. (Interestingly, an investigation of the Kennedy assassination was a project I
suggested when I first entered the White House. I had always been intrigued with the conflicting theories of the assassination.
Now I felt we would be in a position to get all the facts. But Nixon turned me down.) . . .
In a chilling parallel to their cover-up at Watergate, the CIA literally erased any connection between Kennedy's assassination and
the CIA. No mention of the Castro assassination attempts was made to the Warren Commission by CIA representatives. In fact,
Counter-intelligence Chief James Angleton of the CIA called Bill Sullivan of the FBI and rehearsed the questions and answers
they would give to the Warren Commission investigators, such as these samples:
the CIA. No mention of the Castro assassination attempts was made to the Warren Commission by CIA representatives. In fact,
Counter-intelligence Chief James Angleton of the CIA called Bill Sullivan of the FBI and rehearsed the questions and answers
they would give to the Warren Commission investigators, such as these samples:
Q. Was Oswald an agent of the CIA?
A. No.
Q. Does the CIA have any evidence showing that a conspiracy existed to assassinate Kennedy?
A. No. <END QUOTE>
7. Remember Jim Garrison on the Jonny Carson show with the "Tramp" photos? How Carson didn't want the photos shown?
He could have done an "America's Most Wanted" thing and we could have nailed Hunt and Sturgis!
He could have done an "America's Most Wanted" thing and we could have nailed Hunt and Sturgis!
| MORE ON THE TRAMP PHOTOS |
At the HSCA hearings Rep. Fithian said, "From just a quick glance at that picture of Sturgis and Tramp B, from here, there
doesn't seem to be all that much difference." (Volume 4, Page 383, cf., Volume 6, Paragraph 716.)
doesn't seem to be all that much difference." (Volume 4, Page 383, cf., Volume 6, Paragraph 716.)
The anthropologists had to come to the conclusion that Hunt and Sturgis were not the Tramps. Imagine how you would feel
knowing that the CIA was involved in the assassination of JFK! (It makes me feel angry. It has changed my whole outlook on the
government.) There would be mass hysteria, disillusionment. America would be just another non-democratic state (bullets not
ballots).
knowing that the CIA was involved in the assassination of JFK! (It makes me feel angry. It has changed my whole outlook on the
government.) There would be mass hysteria, disillusionment. America would be just another non-democratic state (bullets not
ballots).
All the anthropologists did was measure Hunt and Sturgis' facial features from photographs. Canfield and Weberman provided
an acetate overlay blown up to the same size as the photographs of the Tramps and you can see for yourself that they are dead
ringers! I think the overlay is a better method than the anthropologists used!
an acetate overlay blown up to the same size as the photographs of the Tramps and you can see for yourself that they are dead
ringers! I think the overlay is a better method than the anthropologists used!
Also at the HSCA, one of the anthropologists, Dr. Clyde Collins Snow (who I wouldn't be surprised to find out was a 33 degree
Mason) testified: "It is apparent that Hunt underwent surgery to correct his rather protruding ears. The date of this operation was
not determined but from the photographs it would appear to have been within a few years before or after the assassination. In
degree of progression, the tramp's ears appear to more closely match Hunt's pre-surgical condition." (See HSCA Volume 4,
Page 383) Snow is often featured on TV in regards to his forensic anthropologic investigations.
Mason) testified: "It is apparent that Hunt underwent surgery to correct his rather protruding ears. The date of this operation was
not determined but from the photographs it would appear to have been within a few years before or after the assassination. In
degree of progression, the tramp's ears appear to more closely match Hunt's pre-surgical condition." (See HSCA Volume 4,
Page 383) Snow is often featured on TV in regards to his forensic anthropologic investigations.
Critics say the "Tramps" have been identified as DOYLE, ABRAMS and GEDNEY but provide no pictures. And the police reports
for DOYLE etc. don't jive with the police reports for the three tramps, HUNT, STURGIS and ?Carswell(?).
for DOYLE etc. don't jive with the police reports for the three tramps, HUNT, STURGIS and ?Carswell(?).
One of the Dallas cops told FBI investigators: "Captain Jones told [Officer] Chambers 'find out which one [of the tramps] shot the
president.' "They were about to conduct a gunpowder test on the hands of the hobos when they were notified that Oswald had
been arrested and they let the hobos go." (Compare arrest records here):
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/5439/Documents.html
president.' "They were about to conduct a gunpowder test on the hands of the hobos when they were notified that Oswald had
been arrested and they let the hobos go." (Compare arrest records here):
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/5439/Documents.html
| HUNT IN DALLAS 11/22/63 |
The Rockefeller Report concluded: "It can not be determined with certainty where Hunt and Sturgis were on the day of the
assassination. "Contacts with relatives, friends, neighbors or fellow employees, who might have known of the whereabouts of
Hunt and Sturgis on that particular day could not be recalled [by Hunt]." And, "Hunt could not recall whether he was on duty with
the CIA on the morning of the assassination."
assassination. "Contacts with relatives, friends, neighbors or fellow employees, who might have known of the whereabouts of
Hunt and Sturgis on that particular day could not be recalled [by Hunt]." And, "Hunt could not recall whether he was on duty with
the CIA on the morning of the assassination."
2. Mark Lane, a Warren Commission critic and attorney for Liberty Lobby wrote in his book (pages 271-285) about the
contradictions in Hunt's testimony of his whereabouts but consider this: Hunt's children were age 14, 13 and 10 at the time.
Hunt alleged that he was at home with his children watching the TV for at least the next 48 hours. At the first Liberty Lobby trial
Hunt testified that his children were really upset about the allegations that he was in Dallas 11/22/63 [tramp photos etc.] and that
he had to reassure them that he was not in Texas that day. Why would his children need reassurance that Hunt was not in
Dallas if he was with his children watching TV?
contradictions in Hunt's testimony of his whereabouts but consider this: Hunt's children were age 14, 13 and 10 at the time.
Hunt alleged that he was at home with his children watching the TV for at least the next 48 hours. At the first Liberty Lobby trial
Hunt testified that his children were really upset about the allegations that he was in Dallas 11/22/63 [tramp photos etc.] and that
he had to reassure them that he was not in Texas that day. Why would his children need reassurance that Hunt was not in
Dallas if he was with his children watching TV?
3. Hunt's list of alibi witnesses at the various venues kept changing (at the Rockefeller Commission he apparently had no alibi
witnesses!). At the Miami trial Hunt's TWO (only two, 2) alibi witnesses, Kuzmuk and Mazerov were very unreliable, contradictory
and unconvincing (p.287).
witnesses!). At the Miami trial Hunt's TWO (only two, 2) alibi witnesses, Kuzmuk and Mazerov were very unreliable, contradictory
and unconvincing (p.287).
4. There's a contradiction on how he got to work that day and who drove him.
5. We have the Rockefellar Commission stating that Hunt could not recall whether or not he was on duty with the CIA that day
and Hunt testifying in other venues both that he had been there that morning and that he had not been there.
and Hunt testifying in other venues both that he had been there that morning and that he had not been there.
6. Hunt submitted an affidavit to the Rockefeller Commission stating that he first heard of the assassination on the car radio
while driving with his wife to a Chinese grocery store. From the grocery store he picked up his 13 year old daughter from school
and drove directly home. I was in the 4th grade (7 years old) at the time and remember teachers crying, we were all herded out
into the hall to watch TV and being let out of school early. Don't you think a 13 year old would remember being picked up by her
parents and watching TV with them at home?
while driving with his wife to a Chinese grocery store. From the grocery store he picked up his 13 year old daughter from school
and drove directly home. I was in the 4th grade (7 years old) at the time and remember teachers crying, we were all herded out
into the hall to watch TV and being let out of school early. Don't you think a 13 year old would remember being picked up by her
parents and watching TV with them at home?
| LORENZ |
The LHO she claims to have driven with was obviously a doppelganger or, she was mistaken. Many people reported seeing
LHO in places around Dallas: at a rifle range, test driving a car (Oswald didn't drive) and stating "leftist" and incriminating
evidence to make an impression that he was planning a murder. Then there was the issue of an "Oswald" making a big
impression at the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico City.
LHO in places around Dallas: at a rifle range, test driving a car (Oswald didn't drive) and stating "leftist" and incriminating
evidence to make an impression that he was planning a murder. Then there was the issue of an "Oswald" making a big
impression at the Cuban and Russian embassies in Mexico City.
Lorenz was an expert marksman. If she was in contact with the real Oswald she would have noted his marksmanship. She
wrote in her book that "Ozzie was not very athletic." We know that LHO was athletic.
wrote in her book that "Ozzie was not very athletic." We know that LHO was athletic.
SOME HAVE SLANDERED LORENZ: You're accusing Lorenz of the worst kind of lie there is: SLANDER. The people who wrote the
Bible were not stupid (but the people who believe it literally and historically are), they classified slander, "bearing false witness"
as a sin on the same level as murder, adultery and theft. Slander is so satanic that the devil himself was named after the Greek
word for slander (see the etymology of "devil").
Bible were not stupid (but the people who believe it literally and historically are), they classified slander, "bearing false witness"
as a sin on the same level as murder, adultery and theft. Slander is so satanic that the devil himself was named after the Greek
word for slander (see the etymology of "devil").
In my opinion, only a psychopath would knowingly and intentionally slander someone. In legal terms there's a difference
between knowing and intentionally lying and believing that a lie is true, there's different levels of perjury.
between knowing and intentionally lying and believing that a lie is true, there's different levels of perjury.
And Lorenz would be a fool to make up such a story knowing how many witnesses to the assassination have mysteriously or
"coincidentally" died. As I recall, Lorenz said Sturgis was threatening her before she testified before the HSCA.
"coincidentally" died. As I recall, Lorenz said Sturgis was threatening her before she testified before the HSCA.
But with all evidence, we have to "weigh" it. How much weight do I give Lorenz's evidence? I can't really say because it has been
awhile since I researched the assassination and concluded Hunt & Sturgis were involved and were hiding in a railcar in
back of the grassy knoll, November 22, 1963.
awhile since I researched the assassination and concluded Hunt & Sturgis were involved and were hiding in a railcar in
back of the grassy knoll, November 22, 1963.
| TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE SAID ABOVE: |
1. We have the "Tramp" photos, which are dead ringers of Hunt and Sturgis. What are the odds of Hunt and Sturgis look-alikes
turning up in a boxcar behind the grassy knoll on the day of the assassination? [See the photos for yourself in Coup d'Etat in
America by Canfield and Weberman or here:] http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/nixon.html
turning up in a boxcar behind the grassy knoll on the day of the assassination? [See the photos for yourself in Coup d'Etat in
America by Canfield and Weberman or here:] http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/nixon.html
2. We have the Joe Trento MEMO that appeared in the Wilmington, Delaware, Sunday News Journal. Here's more on the Memo
from The Man Who Knew Too Much, Dick Russell, 1992: <Begin Quote>
from The Man Who Knew Too Much, Dick Russell, 1992: <Begin Quote>
On August 20, 1978, in the midst of the House Assassinations Committee's probe, an article appeared in the Wilmington (Del.)
Sunday News Journal. It described a secret CIA memorandum of 1966 that stated that Hunt had been in Dallas on the day of the
assassination. Said to have been initialed by Angelton and Helms, the memo was about keeping the importance of Hunt's
presence there a secret. A cover story providing Hunt an alibi for being elsewhere "ought to be considered," it
reportedly said. [The article is reprinted in Plausible Denial] The memo's date of origin was some years before Hunt became
infamous as one of the Watergate burglars in 1972.
Sunday News Journal. It described a secret CIA memorandum of 1966 that stated that Hunt had been in Dallas on the day of the
assassination. Said to have been initialed by Angelton and Helms, the memo was about keeping the importance of Hunt's
presence there a secret. A cover story providing Hunt an alibi for being elsewhere "ought to be considered," it
reportedly said. [The article is reprinted in Plausible Denial] The memo's date of origin was some years before Hunt became
infamous as one of the Watergate burglars in 1972.
In 1966 Hunt was little known outside the CIA -- having worked undercover in Mexico City and Tokyo and as the station chief in
Uruguay during the 1950s, authoring more than forty novels about the spy trade under various pseudonyms, even helping Allen
Dulles prepare his own memoir, The Craft of Intelligence. Joseph J. Trento, who wrote the Wilmington news story, says that his
source was none other than Angleton. "In 1978, Angleton called and asked me to come down for lunch at the Army-Navy Club,"
Trento recalls. [Russel's source for this is a phone call with Trento.] "He said he wanted me to talk to me about something. "This
was as the House Committee's investigation was winding up, and he told me a number of things concerning the Kennedy
assassination and its aftermath. "Then he explained some very complicated counter intelligence operations. "Did you know
Howard Hunt was in Dallas on the day of the assassination?" he said. I said, "So what? So was Richard Nixon, for a Pepsi-Cola
convention. "Angleton said, 'What I'm trying to tell you is, some very odd things were going on that were out of our control.' Then
he added the possibility that Hunt was there on orders from a high-level KGB mole inside the agency and that this should have
been looked into at the time. "If that was true, it seemed plausible that any 'orders' given to Howard Hunt might have come from
his boss at Domestic Operations, Tracy Barnes." Hunt has denied under oath that he was in Dallas on the fateful day.
Uruguay during the 1950s, authoring more than forty novels about the spy trade under various pseudonyms, even helping Allen
Dulles prepare his own memoir, The Craft of Intelligence. Joseph J. Trento, who wrote the Wilmington news story, says that his
source was none other than Angleton. "In 1978, Angleton called and asked me to come down for lunch at the Army-Navy Club,"
Trento recalls. [Russel's source for this is a phone call with Trento.] "He said he wanted me to talk to me about something. "This
was as the House Committee's investigation was winding up, and he told me a number of things concerning the Kennedy
assassination and its aftermath. "Then he explained some very complicated counter intelligence operations. "Did you know
Howard Hunt was in Dallas on the day of the assassination?" he said. I said, "So what? So was Richard Nixon, for a Pepsi-Cola
convention. "Angleton said, 'What I'm trying to tell you is, some very odd things were going on that were out of our control.' Then
he added the possibility that Hunt was there on orders from a high-level KGB mole inside the agency and that this should have
been looked into at the time. "If that was true, it seemed plausible that any 'orders' given to Howard Hunt might have come from
his boss at Domestic Operations, Tracy Barnes." Hunt has denied under oath that he was in Dallas on the fateful day.
According to Trento, after his conversation with Angleton, the ex-CIA chief then arranged for the internal CIA memo to be
delivered to him. Angleton simultaneously alerted the House Assassinations Committee, using Tennessee Senator Howard
Baker as his intermediary, and the committee also received a copy. "It was all handled in such a way that Angleton was not the
source," Trento adds. I later came to conclude that the mole-sent-Hunt idea was, to use his phrase, disinformation; that
Angleton was trying to protect his own connections to Hunt's being in Dallas.
delivered to him. Angleton simultaneously alerted the House Assassinations Committee, using Tennessee Senator Howard
Baker as his intermediary, and the committee also received a copy. "It was all handled in such a way that Angleton was not the
source," Trento adds. I later came to conclude that the mole-sent-Hunt idea was, to use his phrase, disinformation; that
Angleton was trying to protect his own connections to Hunt's being in Dallas.
You see, Angleton was aware of a serious counterintelligence problem with the Cubans. They were making these crazy
movements all over Texas and New Orleans. You couldn't tell who was who, and he knew the exiles were heavily penetrated by
Castro's intelligence. Things were getting out of hand, and Angleton was trying to find out what was going on at the time of the
assassination. My guess is, it was Angleton himself who sent Hunt to Dallas, because he didn't want to use anybody from his
own shop. Hunt was still considered a hand-holder for the Cuban exiles, sort of Helms's unhousebroken pet. The godfather of
Hunt's youngest son was Manual Artime, the Cuban exiles' invasion leader for the Bay of Pigs.... <END QUOTE>
movements all over Texas and New Orleans. You couldn't tell who was who, and he knew the exiles were heavily penetrated by
Castro's intelligence. Things were getting out of hand, and Angleton was trying to find out what was going on at the time of the
assassination. My guess is, it was Angleton himself who sent Hunt to Dallas, because he didn't want to use anybody from his
own shop. Hunt was still considered a hand-holder for the Cuban exiles, sort of Helms's unhousebroken pet. The godfather of
Hunt's youngest son was Manual Artime, the Cuban exiles' invasion leader for the Bay of Pigs.... <END QUOTE>
Trento was no dummy. The HSCA was given a copy of the memo but the memo conveniently "disappeared" like so many of the
witnesses and evidence did.
witnesses and evidence did.
To digress: "Firing Line" moderator and columnist William F. Buckley, Jr. was the godfather of another of Hunt's kids. When
Buckley came to speak at the University of Arizona 15? years ago, before a crowd of 3000. I heckled him from the very back of the
stadium to the effect that Hunt was responsible for the assassination of JFK. Buckley replied: "Hunt just won a defamation
lawsuit proving that he wasn't in Dallas." (This was the first Liberty Lobby trial.)
Buckley came to speak at the University of Arizona 15? years ago, before a crowd of 3000. I heckled him from the very back of the
stadium to the effect that Hunt was responsible for the assassination of JFK. Buckley replied: "Hunt just won a defamation
lawsuit proving that he wasn't in Dallas." (This was the first Liberty Lobby trial.)
I wrote Senator Edward Kennedy, telling him exactly what happened. (I got a nice "thank you for the information" from one of his
aides.) So I like to imagine that I may have had some part in overturning the verdict in the first Liberty Lobby trial i.e., maybe
Kennedy pressured the Judge to find some way to overturn the verdict in the first trial?
aides.) So I like to imagine that I may have had some part in overturning the verdict in the first Liberty Lobby trial i.e., maybe
Kennedy pressured the Judge to find some way to overturn the verdict in the first trial?
JOE BONANNO retired to Tucson, Arizona. His son Bill Bonanno, who wrote a book about his life as a gangster, was on a local
radio talk show and I called up to ask him: "Was E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis involved in the assassination?" Bonanno
gave a nervous little laugh and said, "You know a lot about the assassination."
radio talk show and I called up to ask him: "Was E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis involved in the assassination?" Bonanno
gave a nervous little laugh and said, "You know a lot about the assassination."
I didn't read Bonanno's book and I didn't want to nail him so I asked, "Was the CIA involved?" He said, "YES."
Recently I did read his book. He wrote that immediately after the assassination he suspected it was a Mafia hit. He diligently
sent out queries to find out who was involved. He was informed that the CIA and anti-Castro Cubans were involved with the
Mafia. (Later he says that Roselli told him that he hid in the storm sewer and fired the fatal shot. Although Roselli was an expert
marksman, according to posts I've read, the storm sewer may have been too small for Roselli to fit in.)
sent out queries to find out who was involved. He was informed that the CIA and anti-Castro Cubans were involved with the
Mafia. (Later he says that Roselli told him that he hid in the storm sewer and fired the fatal shot. Although Roselli was an expert
marksman, according to posts I've read, the storm sewer may have been too small for Roselli to fit in.)
3. We have Nixon et. al. offering HUNT hush money -- afraid of him exposing the whole "Bay of Pigs thing and a whole lot of
hanky panky."
hanky panky."
As stated in another post, above, Haldeman believed the Bay of Pigs thing referred to the Kennedy assassination. Here's more
from Haldeman's Memoir, The Ends of Power. This is funny. Imagine Haldeman, still not knowing what the Bay of Pigs thing
refers to, confronting Richard Helms, the head of the CIA: <Begin Quote>
from Haldeman's Memoir, The Ends of Power. This is funny. Imagine Haldeman, still not knowing what the Bay of Pigs thing
refers to, confronting Richard Helms, the head of the CIA: <Begin Quote>
Then I played Nixon's trump card. The President asked me to tell you this entire affair may be connected to the Bay of Pigs, and if
it opens up, the Bay of Pigs may be blown. ... Turmoil in the room, Helms gripping the arms of his chair leaning forward and
shouting, "The Bay of Pigs had nothing to do with this. I have no concern about the Bay of Pigs." Silence. I just sat there. I was
absolutely shocked by Helms' violent reaction. Again, I wondered, what was such dynamite in the Bay of Pigs story? Finally, I
said, I'm just following my instructions, Dick. This is what the President told me to relay to you. <END QUOTE> (Emphasis NOT
added.)
it opens up, the Bay of Pigs may be blown. ... Turmoil in the room, Helms gripping the arms of his chair leaning forward and
shouting, "The Bay of Pigs had nothing to do with this. I have no concern about the Bay of Pigs." Silence. I just sat there. I was
absolutely shocked by Helms' violent reaction. Again, I wondered, what was such dynamite in the Bay of Pigs story? Finally, I
said, I'm just following my instructions, Dick. This is what the President told me to relay to you. <END QUOTE> (Emphasis NOT
added.)
4. We have the "Dear Mr. Hunt" letter allegedly sent by Oswald asking what his "position" was. A copy of this letter, dated
11/8/63 was sent to assassination researcher Penn Jones, 8/18/75 with a Mexico City postmark. I don't give much weight to this
but imagine if Howard Hunt had a collection of these letters from LHO and he was using them to acquire more hush money and
he gave them to his wife to take to someone in Chicago for safe-keeping....
11/8/63 was sent to assassination researcher Penn Jones, 8/18/75 with a Mexico City postmark. I don't give much weight to this
but imagine if Howard Hunt had a collection of these letters from LHO and he was using them to acquire more hush money and
he gave them to his wife to take to someone in Chicago for safe-keeping....
5. We have two of Hunts children providing testimony (probably by affidavit) to the Rockefeller Commission stating that dad was
with them on the day of the assassination. And we have Hunt testifying at the first Liberty Lobby trial that his children were
frightened and upset about the allegations he was in Dallas that day and that he had to reassure them that he was not in Dallas
that day. [See Plausible Denial, pages 282-283]
with them on the day of the assassination. And we have Hunt testifying at the first Liberty Lobby trial that his children were
frightened and upset about the allegations he was in Dallas that day and that he had to reassure them that he was not in Dallas
that day. [See Plausible Denial, pages 282-283]
Then, at the second trial, Lane confronts Hunt with these statements, which Hunt admits are true: "Mr. Hunt, why did you have to
convince your children that you were not in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, if, in fact, as you say, a fourteen-year-old
daughter, a thirteen-year-old daughter, and a ten-year-old son were with you in the Washington, D.C., area on November 22,
1963, and were with you at least for the next forty-eight hours, as you all stayed glued to the TV set?" <Begin Quote from
Plausible Denial, page 283>
convince your children that you were not in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, if, in fact, as you say, a fourteen-year-old
daughter, a thirteen-year-old daughter, and a ten-year-old son were with you in the Washington, D.C., area on November 22,
1963, and were with you at least for the next forty-eight hours, as you all stayed glued to the TV set?" <Begin Quote from
Plausible Denial, page 283>
If someone had struck Hunt in the face his reaction would not have been more physical. His head jerked back. He stared at his
attorneys. Snyder and Dunne [Hunt's lawyers], apparently thunderstruck, began to speak to each other in whispers. The delay
before Hunt responded seemed interminable. In absolute time it probably was not more than half a minute. Finally, Hunt spoke,
looking away from the jurors: "May I reply?" I answered, "Please. It is a question." He spoke quickly, as if he hoped the subject
would soon be forgotten. "These were unformed minds, and I felt that it was absolutely imperative that I remind them of the
circumstances attendant upon our family that day. "Yet, my other son, Howard St. John, had read in the Berkeley barb and in
other papers these constant reiterations of my involvement in the Kennedy assassination. "So, it was less a question of my
convincing them that I was in Washington, D.C., with them -- rather, reminding them that I was, that it was to assure them that
none of the charges and allegations that had been made, particularly those of the tramp in Dealey Plaza, had any substance to
them at all."
attorneys. Snyder and Dunne [Hunt's lawyers], apparently thunderstruck, began to speak to each other in whispers. The delay
before Hunt responded seemed interminable. In absolute time it probably was not more than half a minute. Finally, Hunt spoke,
looking away from the jurors: "May I reply?" I answered, "Please. It is a question." He spoke quickly, as if he hoped the subject
would soon be forgotten. "These were unformed minds, and I felt that it was absolutely imperative that I remind them of the
circumstances attendant upon our family that day. "Yet, my other son, Howard St. John, had read in the Berkeley barb and in
other papers these constant reiterations of my involvement in the Kennedy assassination. "So, it was less a question of my
convincing them that I was in Washington, D.C., with them -- rather, reminding them that I was, that it was to assure them that
none of the charges and allegations that had been made, particularly those of the tramp in Dealey Plaza, had any substance to
them at all."
Q. How could they believe, Mr. Hunt, that the tramp photographs, as they have been called, which purport to show you in Dealey
Plaza, Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, could be authentic, when they were with you at that time in the Washington, D.C.,
area and were with you for forty-eight hours, in front of a TV set?
Plaza, Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, could be authentic, when they were with you at that time in the Washington, D.C.,
area and were with you for forty-eight hours, in front of a TV set?
A. Because of the constant reiteration of the charges. The appearance of people like Dick Gregory at news conferences. Dick
Gregory call-in radio shows. The prevalence of the theories that Hunt or the CIA somehow had something to do with it. Of
course, they were well aware that I worked for the CIA. My name was linked with it, and usually linked in connection with the
Kennedy assassination. It was a very difficult problem that I had with my children.
Gregory call-in radio shows. The prevalence of the theories that Hunt or the CIA somehow had something to do with it. Of
course, they were well aware that I worked for the CIA. My name was linked with it, and usually linked in connection with the
Kennedy assassination. It was a very difficult problem that I had with my children.
Q. One can see where they might be disturbed that you were being charged with this. But weren't they of the opinion that there
were three people who could prove to the whole world that these charges were a tissue of lies, that "I was with my father during
that whole time period?" What I want to know is since they knew how outrageous the lies were, why did they have to be
convinced by you that you weren't in Texas?
were three people who could prove to the whole world that these charges were a tissue of lies, that "I was with my father during
that whole time period?" What I want to know is since they knew how outrageous the lies were, why did they have to be
convinced by you that you weren't in Texas?
A. Reminded, reminded.
Q. They didn't remember that themselves? Hunt paused again. He wiped his forehead with a handkerchief.
A. The constant reiteration of these charges, in one form or another, had an extremely deleterious effect on my children. I
conferred with them, I answered their questions. I gave them every assurance that I was never in Dealy Plaza at any time in my
life -- not only on the fatal day, but the day before, the day after. In short, never. That was the type of assurance I was forced to
give to my family.
conferred with them, I answered their questions. I gave them every assurance that I was never in Dealy Plaza at any time in my
life -- not only on the fatal day, but the day before, the day after. In short, never. That was the type of assurance I was forced to
give to my family.
Q. Were all of these children with you on the day after the assassination of President Kennedy? The witness reached for a glass
of water and drank it slowly. Then he spoke:
of water and drank it slowly. Then he spoke:
A. They were, as during the day of the assassination; that is correct.
Q. You testified, Mr. Hunt, that your adult children came to you after it was alleged that you were in Dealey Plaza on November 22,
1963, and said to you, "Is there any truth in this?" Have you testified that was what they said?
1963, and said to you, "Is there any truth in this?" Have you testified that was what they said?
A. I have. That is correct.
Hunt's explanations only exacerbated the matter. If the three children had been exposed to the false allegations over a period of
time, does it not seem likely that they would remember somewhere along the line where they had spent one of the most
traumatic moments of their lives and who had been with them? Why had they not shouted out that their father was innocent?
Failing that, how could they require constant reminders from their father that they had all been together that day? <END QUOTE>
time, does it not seem likely that they would remember somewhere along the line where they had spent one of the most
traumatic moments of their lives and who had been with them? Why had they not shouted out that their father was innocent?
Failing that, how could they require constant reminders from their father that they had all been together that day? <END QUOTE>
In other words: Hunt is alleging that the media brainwashed his kids!
6. We have Victor Marchetti's article in his newsletter (cited in another post above) alleging that Hunt was in Dallas "by accident"
on November 22, 1963.
on November 22, 1963.
7. We have Hunt giving all kinds of contradictory statements as to his whereabouts (see Plausible Denial) and his not being
able to recall if he was at work that day [Rockefeller Commission]. There's probably more evidence but it has been awhile (like
15 years) since I studied the assassination in detail. If I recall any more, I'll post here for the record.
able to recall if he was at work that day [Rockefeller Commission]. There's probably more evidence but it has been awhile (like
15 years) since I studied the assassination in detail. If I recall any more, I'll post here for the record.
| FOR THE RECORD, HERE'S SOME MORE INFO ON THE TRENTO ARTICLE AND MEMO |
Trento testified that he saw the memo with his own eyes. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, especially given the
way the HSCA functioned. For everyone's information, RE: Trento - the following is excerpted from Lisa Pease's article James
Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination (part 2 Probe v7#6) <Begin Quote>
way the HSCA functioned. For everyone's information, RE: Trento - the following is excerpted from Lisa Pease's article James
Jesus Angleton and the Kennedy Assassination (part 2 Probe v7#6) <Begin Quote>
The case [Hunt v. Liberty Lobby] at first appeared to be lost when Marchetti confessed he had never seen the memo described
in his article. But Lane found another writer who not only had written a similar story about the same memo, but also had actually
viewed it. Joseph Trento, a man who often talked to James Angleton and their mutual friend, William Corson, confirmed under
oath that he had indeed seen the memo, and that, in his significant experience with intelligence documents, he felt it was
genuine. Trento refused to tell Lane who had shown him the copy of the memo. At the time of the trial, Angleton was still alive
and well. But several years after Angleton's death, Trento told author Dick Russell that his source for the document had been
Angleton himself. "In 1978, Angleton called and asked me to come down for lunch at the Army-Navy Club," Russell recorded
Trento as saying. "Did you know Howard Hunt was in Dallas on the day of the assassination?" Angleton asked Trento. Angleton
said Hunt had possibly been sent there by a high-level Soviet mole inside the CIA. According to Trento, Angleton arranged to
have the memo delivered both to him and to the HSCA through Howard Baker. Trento told Russell, I later came to conclude that
the mole-sent-Hunt idea was, to use his phrase, disinformation; that Angleton was trying to protect his own connections to
Hunt's being in Dallas... My guess is, it was Angleton himself who sent Hunt to Dallas because he didn't want to use anybody
from his own shop. Hunt was still considered a hand-holder for the Cuban exiles, sort of Helm's unbroken pet. Pease cites
Dick Russell, The Man Who Knew Too Much (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1992) pp. 476 for the Trento interview.
in his article. But Lane found another writer who not only had written a similar story about the same memo, but also had actually
viewed it. Joseph Trento, a man who often talked to James Angleton and their mutual friend, William Corson, confirmed under
oath that he had indeed seen the memo, and that, in his significant experience with intelligence documents, he felt it was
genuine. Trento refused to tell Lane who had shown him the copy of the memo. At the time of the trial, Angleton was still alive
and well. But several years after Angleton's death, Trento told author Dick Russell that his source for the document had been
Angleton himself. "In 1978, Angleton called and asked me to come down for lunch at the Army-Navy Club," Russell recorded
Trento as saying. "Did you know Howard Hunt was in Dallas on the day of the assassination?" Angleton asked Trento. Angleton
said Hunt had possibly been sent there by a high-level Soviet mole inside the CIA. According to Trento, Angleton arranged to
have the memo delivered both to him and to the HSCA through Howard Baker. Trento told Russell, I later came to conclude that
the mole-sent-Hunt idea was, to use his phrase, disinformation; that Angleton was trying to protect his own connections to
Hunt's being in Dallas... My guess is, it was Angleton himself who sent Hunt to Dallas because he didn't want to use anybody
from his own shop. Hunt was still considered a hand-holder for the Cuban exiles, sort of Helm's unbroken pet. Pease cites
Dick Russell, The Man Who Knew Too Much (New York: Carroll & Graf, 1992) pp. 476 for the Trento interview.
| MORE ON TRENTO MEMO FROM TRENTO HIMSELF |
| (Posted by Trento on GroupsGoogle.com alt.assassination.JFK in response to the following post by "Jerry" |
[Jerry wrote:] Joe Trento testified by deposition at the 2nd Hunt - Spotlight trial that he had been shown - briefly - a CIA memo
supposedly written by Angleton to Helms in 1966 stating that E. Howard Hunt had been in Dallas on 11/22/63. He refused to say
who showed him the memo.
supposedly written by Angleton to Helms in 1966 stating that E. Howard Hunt had been in Dallas on 11/22/63. He refused to say
who showed him the memo.
Let's fast-forward to an interview he gave Richard Russell in which he embellished his tale about a secret memo and made
statements which are either demonstrably false or at sharp variance with the record. Joe Trento told Russell that:
statements which are either demonstrably false or at sharp variance with the record. Joe Trento told Russell that:
a. James Angleton lunched with him at the Army And Navy Club and there showed him the memo in question. At this luncheon
he supposedly gave Trento the information that was the basis for his article. This was in 1978 - after Angleton was dead and
thus not able to correct his claims. In 1975, Angleton had testified to the Rockefeller Commission on this topic. He said that
following the publication of his article he telephoned Angleton from William Corson's office in the Penthouse Corp offices. The
call was put through to Angleton where he was lunching at the Army And Navy Club. Angleton said he had not seen Trento's
article and replied that he had not heard from Howard Hunt. Then, he rang off as his lunch was getting cold.
he supposedly gave Trento the information that was the basis for his article. This was in 1978 - after Angleton was dead and
thus not able to correct his claims. In 1975, Angleton had testified to the Rockefeller Commission on this topic. He said that
following the publication of his article he telephoned Angleton from William Corson's office in the Penthouse Corp offices. The
call was put through to Angleton where he was lunching at the Army And Navy Club. Angleton said he had not seen Trento's
article and replied that he had not heard from Howard Hunt. Then, he rang off as his lunch was getting cold.
b. Joe Trento claimed to Russell that Angleton gave him a copy of the memo and had one forwarded to the HSCA. However, in
sworn testimony at the 2nd Hunt trial he stated that he was not given a copy of the memo. Nor had the HSCA ever received a
copy of the article as Mark Lane found out when he asked Gaeton Fonzi and Eddie Lopez if they had.
sworn testimony at the 2nd Hunt trial he stated that he was not given a copy of the memo. Nor had the HSCA ever received a
copy of the article as Mark Lane found out when he asked Gaeton Fonzi and Eddie Lopez if they had.
c. Joe Trento claimed that he and William Corson and James Angleton were friends and indeed confidants. In fact, Angleton
testified that he knew Trento only as somebody who had written articles that were critical of Richard Helms. Indeed, Joe Trento
is a sensational and anti-CIA journalist who is the last person that CIA officials such as Helms and Angleton would share secret
documents with! The claims that Joe Trento made to Richard Russell about - 1. Lunching with Angleton, 2. Being given a copy of
the memo by Angleton, 3. The HSCA being given a copy of the memo, 4. Angleton being good friends with Trento and Corson -
are demonstrably false and destroy Joe Trento's credibility. Jerry
testified that he knew Trento only as somebody who had written articles that were critical of Richard Helms. Indeed, Joe Trento
is a sensational and anti-CIA journalist who is the last person that CIA officials such as Helms and Angleton would share secret
documents with! The claims that Joe Trento made to Richard Russell about - 1. Lunching with Angleton, 2. Being given a copy of
the memo by Angleton, 3. The HSCA being given a copy of the memo, 4. Angleton being good friends with Trento and Corson -
are demonstrably false and destroy Joe Trento's credibility. Jerry
From: Joseph Trento (trento@publicedcenter.org) Subject: Re: Joe Trento's Credibility Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,
alt.assassination.jfk View this article only Date: 2001-09-30 19:18:43 PST
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I was amused to see "Jerry's" posting making blanket statements about my credibility based on false and incomplete
information.
information.
The Howard Hunt memo story is in the archives of the Wilmington News Journal and speaks for itself.
My deposition in the Hunt Case and comments to Dick Russell do not diverge in fact. The questions asked were different. Mark
Lane was more interested in collecting chapters for his book then winning a lawsuit. "Jerry's" implication, is not based on fact.
But facts are not important to "Jerry."
Lane was more interested in collecting chapters for his book then winning a lawsuit. "Jerry's" implication, is not based on fact.
But facts are not important to "Jerry."
By the way "Jerry" James Angleton did not die in 1978. He died in 1986.
Angleton, William Corson and Bob Crowley were not only sources but complicated men I came to know very well.
"Jerry's" ignorance about the circumstances of Angleton's departure from the CIA is amazing considering what is available on
the public record. Angleton kept coming to his office for months after his firing and removed file after file from the building -
including the Kennedy material.
the public record. Angleton kept coming to his office for months after his firing and removed file after file from the building -
including the Kennedy material.
By the way you are right about one thing "Jerry" -- Richard Helms does not speak to me. Considering his problems with telling
the truth about Chile, The Kronthal case and fifty years of other events I wear this non-communication "as a badge of honor."
the truth about Chile, The Kronthal case and fifty years of other events I wear this non-communication "as a badge of honor."
My relationship with Angleton is detailed in my new book The Secret History of The CIA which will be released by Prima/Random
House next month.
House next month.
I am sorry "Jerry" thinks I am "anti-CIA." Some of my closest friends have worked at the CIA. They don't believe in perpetuating
the myth that the CIA was effective as an intelligence gathering arm of the government. The evidence does not support that
contention. The hundreds of interviews I did with real CIA officials and case officers demonstrate that many of them came to the
same view. All of "Jerry's" cheerleading, personal attacks and creative writing will not change the history. Tragically on
September 11 most of America discovered just how bad the CIA is at the task it was created to do. Jerry" can face the CIA's real
problems or attack those who write about them. Now that blowback has brought mass murder to our shores I think it is time we
all pay attention to getting an agency that does more then make excuses. Joe Trento
the myth that the CIA was effective as an intelligence gathering arm of the government. The evidence does not support that
contention. The hundreds of interviews I did with real CIA officials and case officers demonstrate that many of them came to the
same view. All of "Jerry's" cheerleading, personal attacks and creative writing will not change the history. Tragically on
September 11 most of America discovered just how bad the CIA is at the task it was created to do. Jerry" can face the CIA's real
problems or attack those who write about them. Now that blowback has brought mass murder to our shores I think it is time we
all pay attention to getting an agency that does more then make excuses. Joe Trento
| MORE EVIDENCE ON HUNT & STURGIS' INVOLVMENT IN ASSASSINATION OF JFK: |
Gaeton Fonzi, who was an investigator for the HSCA wrote:
| The Last Investigation, Gaeton Fonzi, 1993 |
<Quote On> From my experience with the HSCA, the science of photo comparison and analysis is an exceptionally inconclusive
technique. The Assassinations Committee wound up spending $83,154 on it and came up with results which in some
instances are totally worthless! .... Hunt had obtained disguises from the CIA's technical services bureau and used them on
more than one job. ... If the tramps were in disguise there would be no way the analysts could tell who they really are [.] ... In my
own mind, I've never resolved the question of whether or not Frank Sturgis looked like one of the tramps in Dealy Plaza. There
are a couple of photos which have strong similarities, others with few. The same could be said of the Hunt comparison. Sturgis
is a lot more polished and sophisticated than the obscenity-prone, rough-hewn and undereducated character he sometimes
projects. [Fonzi and Sturgis had many long, sociable conversations.] On the day of the assassination, Sturgis said, "I had FBI
agents all over my house, they told me I was one person they felt had the capabilities to do it. They said, 'Frank, if there's
anybody capable of killing the President of the United States, you're the guy that can do it'."
technique. The Assassinations Committee wound up spending $83,154 on it and came up with results which in some
instances are totally worthless! .... Hunt had obtained disguises from the CIA's technical services bureau and used them on
more than one job. ... If the tramps were in disguise there would be no way the analysts could tell who they really are [.] ... In my
own mind, I've never resolved the question of whether or not Frank Sturgis looked like one of the tramps in Dealy Plaza. There
are a couple of photos which have strong similarities, others with few. The same could be said of the Hunt comparison. Sturgis
is a lot more polished and sophisticated than the obscenity-prone, rough-hewn and undereducated character he sometimes
projects. [Fonzi and Sturgis had many long, sociable conversations.] On the day of the assassination, Sturgis said, "I had FBI
agents all over my house, they told me I was one person they felt had the capabilities to do it. They said, 'Frank, if there's
anybody capable of killing the President of the United States, you're the guy that can do it'."
Sturgis said he thought the Kennedy assassination was definitely a conspiracy, (he spoke of the possible motivations of the
anti-Castro groups ... agents in the KGB, Cuban Intelligence and the CIA), that Oswald was a patsy and that the Government
agencies -- the FBI, Secret Service and the CIA -- were all involved in a cover-up.
anti-Castro groups ... agents in the KGB, Cuban Intelligence and the CIA), that Oswald was a patsy and that the Government
agencies -- the FBI, Secret Service and the CIA -- were all involved in a cover-up.
Fonzi ends chapter 9 with a funny story where he meets Sturgis in a restaurant in Miami's Little Havana. With Sturgis is a man
named "Paul" who spent seven years in Castro's prisons. Sturgis wanted "Paul" to think the meeting was coincidence because
"Paul" would probably not voluntarily agree to meet Fonzi. Sturgis introduces Fonzi as "a friend of mine who is with the, uh,
whattaya callit, you know, the Government Committee that's looking into the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
named "Paul" who spent seven years in Castro's prisons. Sturgis wanted "Paul" to think the meeting was coincidence because
"Paul" would probably not voluntarily agree to meet Fonzi. Sturgis introduces Fonzi as "a friend of mine who is with the, uh,
whattaya callit, you know, the Government Committee that's looking into the assassination of John F. Kennedy."
Paul didn't miss a beat, "Oh, he said, "you mean the guy you killed"? Sturgis' face suddenly froze for a split second. The smile
was gone. Then he shook his head and smiled again. "Oh, yeah, sure," he said laughing. I looked at Sturgis and started
laughing also. (End of Chapter 9 and end of quote from Fonzi.)
was gone. Then he shook his head and smiled again. "Oh, yeah, sure," he said laughing. I looked at Sturgis and started
laughing also. (End of Chapter 9 and end of quote from Fonzi.)
| THE LA FONTAINES WROTE AN UNUSALLY LONG ARTICLE (Propaganda Piece) IN THE WASHINGTON POST 8/7/94 ALLEGING THAT THE "TRAMPS" WERE NOT HUNT and STURGIS BUT WERE REALLY TRAMPS (Abrams, Gedney & Doyle). WHAT FOLLOWS IS A PARAPHRASED EXCERPT FROM THEIR BOOK and FBI INTERVIEWS SHOWING THAT THE LA FONTAINE TRAMPS ARE NOT THE SAME ONES PHOTOGRAPHED IN DEALY PLAZA. (Gedney, 38, was the Sturgis Tramp; Abrams, 53, Hunt Tramp and Doyle, 32, Carswell/"Frenchy" Tramp) |
...When shown the tramp photos, no one at the hotel recognized Doyle-as-tramp but when asked, they all knew who Doyle was
and they said they didn't think the tramp was him. However, one person -- after being clued in said that the tramp was Doyle and
she fetched a photo she had of Doyle taken thirty years later. "Jowly, 30 years older, but with the same scar on his forehead, the
same glowering eyes, as the 'Frenchy' tramp."
and they said they didn't think the tramp was him. However, one person -- after being clued in said that the tramp was Doyle and
she fetched a photo she had of Doyle taken thirty years later. "Jowly, 30 years older, but with the same scar on his forehead, the
same glowering eyes, as the 'Frenchy' tramp."
Canfield and Weberman reproduce the photo in the second edition (1992) of their book, Coup d'Etat in America and the photo
does not look anything like the "Frenchy" tramp. LaFontain or police did not provide comparable photos from 1960s!
does not look anything like the "Frenchy" tramp. LaFontain or police did not provide comparable photos from 1960s!
| FBI INTERVIEWS (1992) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/5439/Documents.html |
FBI 180-10112-10154 BASS INTERVIEW: Three men [Hunt/Sturgis/Carswell] ran down and got into a grain car. ... [Officer Ray]
Vaughn climbed up the ladder on one of the cars and saw three men huddled in corner of the freight [grain] car. ... Vaughn
ordered the men out and they cussed at him. Vaughn then jacked a shell into his shotgun and ordered them out. H/S/C had no
money when arrested. Everyone in the LaFontains' book refers to Doyle as being kind, gentle, quaint, sweet natured, i.e., would
not curse the cops. The hobos had money because Doyle was getting a check (see below).
Vaughn climbed up the ladder on one of the cars and saw three men huddled in corner of the freight [grain] car. ... Vaughn
ordered the men out and they cussed at him. Vaughn then jacked a shell into his shotgun and ordered them out. H/S/C had no
money when arrested. Everyone in the LaFontains' book refers to Doyle as being kind, gentle, quaint, sweet natured, i.e., would
not curse the cops. The hobos had money because Doyle was getting a check (see below).
FBI 124-10179-10312 CHAMBERS INTERVIEW: Capt. Jones assigned Chambers to watch three hobos [H/S/C] he described as
"dirty." Jones asked Chambers to take them into his office to "find out which one shot the President." Since they were all
together, he chose to only elicit general information. Their answers were confusing and not consistent. Their stories as to where
they were and where they were headed differed. Grinell came into the office and discussed the possibility of conducting a
gunpowder test on the hands of the hobos. Later, Jones advised Chambers thay arrested the individual who shot officer Tippit
and that he was the one who had also shot the President. Chambers then advised the three individuals, "you're free to go."
"dirty." Jones asked Chambers to take them into his office to "find out which one shot the President." Since they were all
together, he chose to only elicit general information. Their answers were confusing and not consistent. Their stories as to where
they were and where they were headed differed. Grinell came into the office and discussed the possibility of conducting a
gunpowder test on the hands of the hobos. Later, Jones advised Chambers thay arrested the individual who shot officer Tippit
and that he was the one who had also shot the President. Chambers then advised the three individuals, "you're free to go."
FBI 124-10151-10221 DOYLE INTERVIEW: Arrived from Houston (took one day to get from Houston to Dallas) on 11/22/63. Went
to Irving Street Mission, showered, cleaned up and received noon meal. After leaving Mission, someone told them JFK was shot.
They asked railroad employees if this was true, they said yes. Got into a gondola (coal car) and were headed to Fort Worth when
train stopped and they were arrested.
to Irving Street Mission, showered, cleaned up and received noon meal. After leaving Mission, someone told them JFK was shot.
They asked railroad employees if this was true, they said yes. Got into a gondola (coal car) and were headed to Fort Worth when
train stopped and they were arrested.
FBI 124-10273-10380 is basically the same interview but adds this conflicting information: after getting out of jail they went back
to Houston and then split up.
to Houston and then split up.
FBI 10151-10214 GEDNEY INTERVIEW: Says arrived Nov. 21, spent night at Salvation Army, had breakfast and lunch there on
Nov 22 and after hearing of the shooting, went to railroad yard where they got on a flatbed car with large sheets of steel and
were arrested by swarms of cops. After getting out of jail they traveled to Fort Worth, Arizona and Los Angeles and then split up.
Nov 22 and after hearing of the shooting, went to railroad yard where they got on a flatbed car with large sheets of steel and
were arrested by swarms of cops. After getting out of jail they traveled to Fort Worth, Arizona and Los Angeles and then split up.
FBI #10151-10224: Downing, a Dallas cop, said: Doyle told him they were in railroad yard waiting to catch out, heard sirens and
did not know Kennedy was shot until the Dallas police took him in for questioning.
did not know Kennedy was shot until the Dallas police took him in for questioning.
FBI 124-10151-10224 GEDNEY INTERVIEW: Gedney said he and Doyle went all over the southwest and worked in labor camps
and slept in hobo camps. In November they ended up in Houston. Doyle was getting unemployment checks from California.
After getting a check, they went to Dallas. Arrived Nov. 21, went to Salvation Army, spent night, went to catch freight going north.
(Fort Worth is west of Dallas.) [H/S/C had no money.]
and slept in hobo camps. In November they ended up in Houston. Doyle was getting unemployment checks from California.
After getting a check, they went to Dallas. Arrived Nov. 21, went to Salvation Army, spent night, went to catch freight going north.
(Fort Worth is west of Dallas.) [H/S/C had no money.]
FBI 10273-10381: Gedney said he did not remember any of the arresting officers having any rifles or shotguns. Said they were
clean, had socks and did not appear dirty. [How could you not remember cops "jacking a shotgun shell"?]
clean, had socks and did not appear dirty. [How could you not remember cops "jacking a shotgun shell"?]
SUMMARY OF FBI INTERVIEWS: If you read all the reports (even the ones I didn't cite, above) and what the LaFontaines wrote in
their book, you would see many contradictions. Such as: if they were given new clothes then why did the H/S/C "stink"? Hunt was
a master of disguise. I wouldn't doubt that he doused himself with wine. Hunt was carrying a new pocketknife in a paper sack.
The cop thought that was suspicious -- that he stole it. Why would he carry it in a paper bag? If the bag got wet, he would lose
the knife. Bums always carry a jug of water and blankets.
their book, you would see many contradictions. Such as: if they were given new clothes then why did the H/S/C "stink"? Hunt was
a master of disguise. I wouldn't doubt that he doused himself with wine. Hunt was carrying a new pocketknife in a paper sack.
The cop thought that was suspicious -- that he stole it. Why would he carry it in a paper bag? If the bag got wet, he would lose
the knife. Bums always carry a jug of water and blankets.
Kennedy was shot at 12:30; H/S/C arrested at about 2pm and were released shortly after Oswald was arrested at about 2pm;
Real tramps were arrested right after assassination and held 4 days.
Real tramps were arrested right after assassination and held 4 days.
Gedney et al had contradictory stories of where they were headed: one said North, the other said Fort Worth. I'd like to know if the
railyard was a major yard or just a city holding yard, and do trains go north/south there and east/west.
railyard was a major yard or just a city holding yard, and do trains go north/south there and east/west.
The cops seriously thought H/S/C shot JFK, they were about to give them gunpowder tests when they were told Oswald was
arrested and then let them go. I don't think the cops would believe winos/bums like Gedney et. al. were capable of shooting.
When Hunt and Sturgis were arrested in a "freight car", the reports say they cursed the cops so one of the cops "jacked a shell
into the shotgun...." Gedney at. al. were arrested in another type of railroad car (flatcar with sheets of steel). One report says
Hunt's bag had a shirt, towel/rag, can of Spam, bar of soap, knife... the bag in the photo doesn't look that large.
arrested and then let them go. I don't think the cops would believe winos/bums like Gedney et. al. were capable of shooting.
When Hunt and Sturgis were arrested in a "freight car", the reports say they cursed the cops so one of the cops "jacked a shell
into the shotgun...." Gedney at. al. were arrested in another type of railroad car (flatcar with sheets of steel). One report says
Hunt's bag had a shirt, towel/rag, can of Spam, bar of soap, knife... the bag in the photo doesn't look that large.
You have to remember, some of these reports were written long after the fact so the reports could have been compromised. So
there you can see that the La Fontaine tramps are not the same ones arrested and photographed in Dealy Plaza.
there you can see that the La Fontaine tramps are not the same ones arrested and photographed in Dealy Plaza.
SOURCES:Oswald Talked, La Fontaine
FBI interviews see: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/5439/Documents.html
| MOTIVES FOR THE ASSASSINATION |
| From Final Report of Select Committee on Assassinations, read pages 25-35: http://www.geocities.com/jfkinfo/hscareport.htm |
| OPERATION NORTWHOODS: |
Plan by General Lyman Lemnitzer et al to kill Americans and blame it on Cuba to get US into war to
overthrow Castro. Lemnitzer served on Rockefeller Committee to cover up assassination by Hunt
and Sturgis. From: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 By David Ruppe, May 1, 2001
overthrow Castro. Lemnitzer served on Rockefeller Committee to cover up assassination by Hunt
and Sturgis. From: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 By David Ruppe, May 1, 2001
Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban emigres, sinking
boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism
in U.S. cities.
boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism
in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust
Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.
America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in
Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national
indignation." Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James
Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected
to the agency, he notes. The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President
Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and
have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. "These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for
so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.
Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national
indignation." Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James
Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected
to the agency, he notes. The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President
Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and
have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years. "These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for
so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.
"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the
military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants. The documents show "the Joint
Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes
Bamford. The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an
American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show. Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they
wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof; that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]." The plans were
motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first
communist leader in the Western Hemisphere -- only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants. The documents show "the Joint
Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes
Bamford. The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an
American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show. Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they
wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof; that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]." The plans were
motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first
communist leader in the Western Hemisphere -- only 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not
allowed to provide firepower. The military leaders now wanted a shot at it." The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford,
noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the
Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro. Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing
prolonged military not democratic control over the island nation after the invasion. "That's what we're supposed to be freeing
them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over
the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."
allowed to provide firepower. The military leaders now wanted a shot at it." The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford,
noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the
Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro. Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing
prolonged military not democratic control over the island nation after the invasion. "That's what we're supposed to be freeing
them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over
the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."
The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans
in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether
the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told
Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months,
Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.
in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military. Whether
the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told
Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months,
Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.
The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in
the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time,
however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds. There were reports U.S.
military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election. And at least two popular books were
published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate
Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger"
in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an
examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.
"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over
the edge."
the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time,
however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds. There were reports U.S.
military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election. And at least two popular books were
published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate
Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger"
in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an
examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.
"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over
the edge."
Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963. One idea
was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to
pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base -- an act, which Bamford notes,
would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot
down as a pretext for a war." There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never
succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.
was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to
pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base -- an act, which Bamford notes,
would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot
down as a pretext for a war." There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never
succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.
Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film "JFK," which examined the
possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. As public interest in the assassination swelled after
"JFK's" release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the
assassination. The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents. Afraid of a congressional investigation,
Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these
remained. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford. More on NORTHWOODS & 9-11
possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy. As public interest in the assassination swelled after
"JFK's" release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the
assassination. The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents. Afraid of a congressional investigation,
Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these
remained. "The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford. More on NORTHWOODS & 9-11
| WHY MARK LANE DISCLAIMS HUNT AND STRUGIS ARE THE TRAMPS |
The only reasons I can imagine for Lane to ridicule the Tramps as Hunt AND Sturgis theory is:
1. He's afraid of being sued.
2. He's afraid that if he's sued, he'll lose and set back assassination research.
3. He's afraid if he wins, America would be in crisis having to admit there was a coup d'etat in Dalles 11/23/63.
4. He knows he can't win if he's sued because the consequences are too high.
Typically, a Court would take "Judicial Notice" of Dr. Snow's testimony as an "expert witness" and who could Lane find to refute
that?! Also, Lane, to my knowledge has never said who he thinks the Tramps really are. I don't believe they are who the
LaFontaines say they are. (Note that the Fontaines' bogus theory about the Tramps was published in an unusually long article in
the Washington Post.)
that?! Also, Lane, to my knowledge has never said who he thinks the Tramps really are. I don't believe they are who the
LaFontaines say they are. (Note that the Fontaines' bogus theory about the Tramps was published in an unusually long article in
the Washington Post.)
| August 19, 2003, Communist Cuba's Granma News Service: CIA Killed JFK |
| When will Posada confess to complicity in Kennedy's assassination? |
| New testimonies place Luis Posada Carriles, with several other Cuban-American conspirators [including HOWARD HUNT & FRANK STURGIS], in Dealey Square when the U.S. president was fatally shot |
| BY JEAN-GUY ALLARD -Special for Granma International-(Cuba) |
ALWAYS ready and willing to act as a self-apologist in front of the Miami, Panamanian and Salvadoran reporters who besiege
his cell in El Renacer prison, international terrorist Luis Posada Carriles also displays impressive skill in omitting to mention
the murkiest chapters of his autobiography. One of them is particularly shady: there are many researchers who link him, either
directly or indirectly, with the assassination of President John Kennedy, a subject on which he continues to maintain silence.
his cell in El Renacer prison, international terrorist Luis Posada Carriles also displays impressive skill in omitting to mention
the murkiest chapters of his autobiography. One of them is particularly shady: there are many researchers who link him, either
directly or indirectly, with the assassination of President John Kennedy, a subject on which he continues to maintain silence.
In a recent interview with the www.cubadebate.cu website, Fabián Escalante, former head of Cuban intelligence, revealed how
Posada Carriles and Guillermo Novo Sampoll, both currently detained in Panama, as well as Orlando Bosch - released by
President George Bush Snr. on July 20, 1990 - appear on the list established by Cuban state security.
Posada Carriles and Guillermo Novo Sampoll, both currently detained in Panama, as well as Orlando Bosch - released by
President George Bush Snr. on July 20, 1990 - appear on the list established by Cuban state security.
Escalante explains Posada’s connection with the conspiracy by recalling the complex history of a plot that brings together
leaders of the Cuban émigré community, U.S. mafiosi and CIA officials.
leaders of the Cuban émigré community, U.S. mafiosi and CIA officials.
He describes how in April 1963, Cuban-American bosses from Florida and New Jersey created an organization that was to
disappear strangely and suddenly, following Kennedy's death.
disappear strangely and suddenly, following Kennedy's death.
Named the Junta of the Cuban Government in Exile (JCGE), this group was led by Carlos Prio Socarrás, Felipe Rivero - a
known terrorist - and Paulino Sierra González, a representative of the U.S. mafia.
known terrorist - and Paulino Sierra González, a representative of the U.S. mafia.
The following month the group held a meeting in Bimini, in the Bahamas (very close to Miami), attended by Carlos Prío, mafia
boss John Rosselli, William Carr (Colonel King's assistant and head of the CIA's Western Hemispheric Division and Robert
Rogers, the official in charge of the plot. Information obtained by Cuban intelligence agents shows that they then held meetings
for the same purpose attended by terrorists such as Frank Sturgis, Howard Hunt, Orlando Piedra, Antonio "Tony" Cuesta,
Eladio de Valle, Joaquin Sanjenis, Manuel Artime, Orlando Bosch, Antonio Vencina and Luis Posada Carriles.
boss John Rosselli, William Carr (Colonel King's assistant and head of the CIA's Western Hemispheric Division and Robert
Rogers, the official in charge of the plot. Information obtained by Cuban intelligence agents shows that they then held meetings
for the same purpose attended by terrorists such as Frank Sturgis, Howard Hunt, Orlando Piedra, Antonio "Tony" Cuesta,
Eladio de Valle, Joaquin Sanjenis, Manuel Artime, Orlando Bosch, Antonio Vencina and Luis Posada Carriles.
According to the former state security chief, by March or April 1963 Kennedy's assassination had been decided and a plan was
underway to execute the crime.
underway to execute the crime.
Marita Laurens [Lorenz], a German woman and former lover of Frank Sturgis, has given an important testimony regarding the
activities of this cell of conspirators. She recalls how she met Lee Harvey Oswald -Kennedy's "acknowledged" assassin - in
Dallas, whilst in the company of Sturgis, Bosch, Guillermo Novo Sampoll, his brother Ignacio and other individuals.
activities of this cell of conspirators. She recalls how she met Lee Harvey Oswald -Kennedy's "acknowledged" assassin - in
Dallas, whilst in the company of Sturgis, Bosch, Guillermo Novo Sampoll, his brother Ignacio and other individuals.
U.S. researchers investigating the Kennedy case, among them (and perhaps the most important) Miami journalist Gaeton
Fonzi, agree that this group of CIA operatives were present in Dallas on the day of the assassination; a group who were always
conspiring together in the wake of the failed invasion Bay of Pigs invasion. Members of Operation 40 - established by the U.S.
intelligence agency and trained in Fort Benning to carry out terrorist operations in Cuba - these mercenaries maintained
constant contact with each other in order to engage in acts of terrorism against Cuba, not just on the island but in the United
States and other countries.
Fonzi, agree that this group of CIA operatives were present in Dallas on the day of the assassination; a group who were always
conspiring together in the wake of the failed invasion Bay of Pigs invasion. Members of Operation 40 - established by the U.S.
intelligence agency and trained in Fort Benning to carry out terrorist operations in Cuba - these mercenaries maintained
constant contact with each other in order to engage in acts of terrorism against Cuba, not just on the island but in the United
States and other countries.
It is important to note that this dangerous group included several former collaborators of Batista's police force and old buddies
of the Havana mafia, who had already moved to the United States with their notorious bosses, including Santos Trafficante.
of the Havana mafia, who had already moved to the United States with their notorious bosses, including Santos Trafficante.
In his luxurious cell in the Panamanian prison of El Renacer, Luis Posada Carriles constitutes one of the last living "examples"
of this CIA-linked mafia fauna; an individual who found himself in Dallas on that fateful day when the President of the United
States was murdered.
of this CIA-linked mafia fauna; an individual who found himself in Dallas on that fateful day when the President of the United
States was murdered.
When will terrorist Carriles finally confess his complicity in that tragic event, as well as the horrific sabotage of a Cubana
passenger plane over Barbados and other crimes that mark 40 years of terrorist activities?
passenger plane over Barbados and other crimes that mark 40 years of terrorist activities?
| Nixon, Hunt & CIA Linked to Coup d'Etat in Dallas By Don Fulsom 10/15/03 |
WASHINGTON, DC – Former United Press International White House correspondent Don Fulsom—a longtime official
researcher at the Nixon Project at the National Archives—has written an article exploring Richard Nixon’s connections to
the murder of President John F. Kennedy. The article—Richard Nixon’s Greatest Cover-up—is featured in the current
edition of Crime Magazine. It offers a compelling new look into Nixon’s Mob/CIA connections, and into widespread
suspicions that the Mafia and the spy agency were involved in Kennedy’s slaying.
Relying on the author’s own exhaustive research into recently declassified government documents and tape recordings—
as well as on previously published accounts and little-known historical facts—Fulsom’s piece articulates a startling new
perspective on the events that left America stunned 40 years ago.
In the article, Fulsom covers Nixon’s hidden ties to the Mafia; his little-known association with Jack Ruby—the Dallas
mobster who killed alleged Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; and Nixon’s close secret connections to CIA agent E.
Howard Hunt, who was implicated in the JFK assassination in a 1985 court case.
The author also cites a newly released 1972 tape of President Nixon confiding to two top aides that the Warren
Commission pulled off "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated." In 1964, however, just before the commission
concluded that Oswald alone was responsible for Kennedy’s murder, Nixon publicly portrayed Oswald as the sole assassin
and implied that Cuban leader Fidel Castro—"a hero in the warped mind" of Oswald—was behind the JFK assassination.
Don Fulsom was a White House correspondent during the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Clinton presidencies and a UPI
bureau chief in Washington for seven years. He has written about Nixon for The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune,
Esquire, Los Angeles, and Regardie's. In recent years, he has been interviewed about political events on CNN, C-SPAN,
USA TODAY.COM, Voice of America, Fox News Channel and the BBC.
Crime Magazine Article:
http://www.crimemagazine.com/03/richardnixon,1014.htm
Website: http://www.donfulsom.com
I contacted Fulsom 2/06/04 and he told me he believes the "Tramps" have been identified as Tramps. I sent him my
information and will follow up with anything new.
researcher at the Nixon Project at the National Archives—has written an article exploring Richard Nixon’s connections to
the murder of President John F. Kennedy. The article—Richard Nixon’s Greatest Cover-up—is featured in the current
edition of Crime Magazine. It offers a compelling new look into Nixon’s Mob/CIA connections, and into widespread
suspicions that the Mafia and the spy agency were involved in Kennedy’s slaying.
Relying on the author’s own exhaustive research into recently declassified government documents and tape recordings—
as well as on previously published accounts and little-known historical facts—Fulsom’s piece articulates a startling new
perspective on the events that left America stunned 40 years ago.
In the article, Fulsom covers Nixon’s hidden ties to the Mafia; his little-known association with Jack Ruby—the Dallas
mobster who killed alleged Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald; and Nixon’s close secret connections to CIA agent E.
Howard Hunt, who was implicated in the JFK assassination in a 1985 court case.
The author also cites a newly released 1972 tape of President Nixon confiding to two top aides that the Warren
Commission pulled off "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated." In 1964, however, just before the commission
concluded that Oswald alone was responsible for Kennedy’s murder, Nixon publicly portrayed Oswald as the sole assassin
and implied that Cuban leader Fidel Castro—"a hero in the warped mind" of Oswald—was behind the JFK assassination.
Don Fulsom was a White House correspondent during the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Clinton presidencies and a UPI
bureau chief in Washington for seven years. He has written about Nixon for The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune,
Esquire, Los Angeles, and Regardie's. In recent years, he has been interviewed about political events on CNN, C-SPAN,
USA TODAY.COM, Voice of America, Fox News Channel and the BBC.
Crime Magazine Article:
http://www.crimemagazine.com/03/richardnixon,1014.htm
Website: http://www.donfulsom.com
I contacted Fulsom 2/06/04 and he told me he believes the "Tramps" have been identified as Tramps. I sent him my
information and will follow up with anything new.
| WHO ELSE BUT THE CIA AND MOSSAD COULD KILL JFK AND GET AWAY WITH IT?! |
| Other JFK Researchers Believe these Guys are the "Tramps" |
| NEW: Hunt's Son Says Dad was Involved March 2007 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/1 |
. . . . One evening in Eureka, over a barbecue meal, St. John explains how he first came to suspect that his father
might somehow be involved in the Kennedy assassination. "Around 1975, I was in a phone booth in Maryland
somewhere, when I saw a poster on a telephone pole about who killed JFK, and it had a picture of the three
tramps. I saw that picture and I fucking -- like a cartoon character, my jaw dropped, my eyes popped out of my
head, and smoke came out of my ears. It looks like my dad. There's nobody that has all those same facial
features. People say it's not him. He's said it's not him. But I'm his son, and I've got a gut feeling."
He chews his sandwich. "And then, like an epiphany, I remember '63, and my dad being gone, and my mom
telling me that he was on a business trip to Dallas. I've tried to convince myself that's some kind of false memory,
that I'm just nuts, that it's something I heard years later. But, I mean, his alibi for that day is that he was at home
with his family. I remember I was in the fifth grade. We were at recess. I was playing on the merry-go-round. We
were called in and told to go home, because the president had been killed. And I remember going home. But I
don't remember my dad being there. I have no recollection of him being there. And then he has this whole thing
about shopping for Chinese food with my mother that day, so that they could cook a meal together." His father
testified to this, in court, on more than one occasion, saying that he
and his wife often cooked meals together.
St. John pauses and leans forward. "Well," he says, "I can tell you that's just the biggest load of crap in the
fucking world. He was always looking at things like he was writing a novel; everything had to be just so glamorous
and so exciting. He couldn't even be bothered with his children. That's not glamorous. James Bond doesn't have
children. So my dad in the kitchen? Chopping vegetables with his wife? I'm so sorry, but that would never
happen. Ever. That fucker never did jack-squat like that. Ever." . . .
"After seeing that poster of the three tramps," he says, "I read two dozen books on the JFK assassination, and
the more I read, the more I was unsure about what happened. I had all these questions and uncertainties. I mean,
I was trying to sort out things that had touched me in a big way."
Later that week, E. Howard also gave Saint two sheets of paper that contained a fuller narrative. It starts out with
LBJ again, connecting him to Cord Meyer, then goes on: "Cord Meyer discusses a plot with [David Atlee]
Phillips who brings in Wm. Harvey and Antonio Veciana. He meets with Oswald in Mexico City. . . . Then
Veciana meets w/ Frank Sturgis in Miami and enlists David Morales in anticipation of killing JFK there. But LBJ
changes itinerary to Dallas, citing personal reasons."
David Atlee Phillips, the CIA's Cuban operations chief in Miami at the time of JFK's death, knew E. Howard from
the Guatemala-coup days. Veciana is a member of the Cuban exile community. Sturgis, like Saint's father, is
supposed to have been one of the three tramps photographed in Dealey Plaza. Sturgis was also one of the
Watergate plotters, and he is a man whom E. Howard, under oath, has repeatedly sworn to have not met until
Watergate, so to Saint the mention of his name was big news.
In the next few paragraphs, E. Howard goes on to describe the extent of his own involvement. It revolves around a
meeting he claims he attended, in 1963, with Morales and Sturgis. It takes place in a Miami hotel room. Here's
what happens:
Morales leaves the room, at which point Sturgis makes reference to a "Big Event" and asks E. Howard, "Are you
with us?"
E. Howard asks Sturgis what he's talking about.
Sturgis says, "Killing JFK."
E. Howard, "incredulous," says to Sturgis, "You seem to have everything you need. Why do you need me?" In the
handwritten narrative, Sturgis' response is unclear, though what E. Howard says to Sturgis next isn't: He says he
won't "get involved in anything involving Bill Harvey, who is an alcoholic psycho."
After that, the meeting ends. E. Howard goes back to his "normal" life and "like the rest of the country . . . is
stunned by JFK's death and realizes how lucky he is not to have had a direct role."
After reading what his father had written, St. John was stunned too. His father had not only implicated LBJ, he'd
also, with a few swift marks of a pen, put the lie to almost everything he'd sworn to, under oath, about his
knowledge of the assassination. Saint had a million more questions. But his father was exhausted and needed to
sleep, and then Saint had to leave town without finishing their talk, though a few weeks later he did receive in the
mail a tape recording from his dad. E. Howard's voice on the cassette is weak and grasping, and he sometimes
wanders down unrelated pathways. But he essentially remakes the same points he made in his handwritten
narrative.
might somehow be involved in the Kennedy assassination. "Around 1975, I was in a phone booth in Maryland
somewhere, when I saw a poster on a telephone pole about who killed JFK, and it had a picture of the three
tramps. I saw that picture and I fucking -- like a cartoon character, my jaw dropped, my eyes popped out of my
head, and smoke came out of my ears. It looks like my dad. There's nobody that has all those same facial
features. People say it's not him. He's said it's not him. But I'm his son, and I've got a gut feeling."
He chews his sandwich. "And then, like an epiphany, I remember '63, and my dad being gone, and my mom
telling me that he was on a business trip to Dallas. I've tried to convince myself that's some kind of false memory,
that I'm just nuts, that it's something I heard years later. But, I mean, his alibi for that day is that he was at home
with his family. I remember I was in the fifth grade. We were at recess. I was playing on the merry-go-round. We
were called in and told to go home, because the president had been killed. And I remember going home. But I
don't remember my dad being there. I have no recollection of him being there. And then he has this whole thing
about shopping for Chinese food with my mother that day, so that they could cook a meal together." His father
testified to this, in court, on more than one occasion, saying that he
and his wife often cooked meals together.
St. John pauses and leans forward. "Well," he says, "I can tell you that's just the biggest load of crap in the
fucking world. He was always looking at things like he was writing a novel; everything had to be just so glamorous
and so exciting. He couldn't even be bothered with his children. That's not glamorous. James Bond doesn't have
children. So my dad in the kitchen? Chopping vegetables with his wife? I'm so sorry, but that would never
happen. Ever. That fucker never did jack-squat like that. Ever." . . .
"After seeing that poster of the three tramps," he says, "I read two dozen books on the JFK assassination, and
the more I read, the more I was unsure about what happened. I had all these questions and uncertainties. I mean,
I was trying to sort out things that had touched me in a big way."
Later that week, E. Howard also gave Saint two sheets of paper that contained a fuller narrative. It starts out with
LBJ again, connecting him to Cord Meyer, then goes on: "Cord Meyer discusses a plot with [David Atlee]
Phillips who brings in Wm. Harvey and Antonio Veciana. He meets with Oswald in Mexico City. . . . Then
Veciana meets w/ Frank Sturgis in Miami and enlists David Morales in anticipation of killing JFK there. But LBJ
changes itinerary to Dallas, citing personal reasons."
David Atlee Phillips, the CIA's Cuban operations chief in Miami at the time of JFK's death, knew E. Howard from
the Guatemala-coup days. Veciana is a member of the Cuban exile community. Sturgis, like Saint's father, is
supposed to have been one of the three tramps photographed in Dealey Plaza. Sturgis was also one of the
Watergate plotters, and he is a man whom E. Howard, under oath, has repeatedly sworn to have not met until
Watergate, so to Saint the mention of his name was big news.
In the next few paragraphs, E. Howard goes on to describe the extent of his own involvement. It revolves around a
meeting he claims he attended, in 1963, with Morales and Sturgis. It takes place in a Miami hotel room. Here's
what happens:
Morales leaves the room, at which point Sturgis makes reference to a "Big Event" and asks E. Howard, "Are you
with us?"
E. Howard asks Sturgis what he's talking about.
Sturgis says, "Killing JFK."
E. Howard, "incredulous," says to Sturgis, "You seem to have everything you need. Why do you need me?" In the
handwritten narrative, Sturgis' response is unclear, though what E. Howard says to Sturgis next isn't: He says he
won't "get involved in anything involving Bill Harvey, who is an alcoholic psycho."
After that, the meeting ends. E. Howard goes back to his "normal" life and "like the rest of the country . . . is
stunned by JFK's death and realizes how lucky he is not to have had a direct role."
After reading what his father had written, St. John was stunned too. His father had not only implicated LBJ, he'd
also, with a few swift marks of a pen, put the lie to almost everything he'd sworn to, under oath, about his
knowledge of the assassination. Saint had a million more questions. But his father was exhausted and needed to
sleep, and then Saint had to leave town without finishing their talk, though a few weeks later he did receive in the
mail a tape recording from his dad. E. Howard's voice on the cassette is weak and grasping, and he sometimes
wanders down unrelated pathways. But he essentially remakes the same points he made in his handwritten
narrative.
Bruce A. Friedemann passing out leaflets on
the SW corner of Stone & Pennington, Tucson
AZ. Note the signs pasted on the building's
windows across the street. The building was
torn down and a Library & plaza exists there
now. (Photographer, unknown.)
the SW corner of Stone & Pennington, Tucson
AZ. Note the signs pasted on the building's
windows across the street. The building was
torn down and a Library & plaza exists there
now. (Photographer, unknown.)
Bruce A. Friedemann chillin' at the U, reading a
book in front of the old Gallagher Theater.
(Photographer, unknown.)
book in front of the old Gallagher Theater.
(Photographer, unknown.)